Covid-19 Revisit

johnsmith

Moderator
Staff member
I was responding to what will happen under Biden.

Ok, my bad. But the answer is the same, 'you must be kidding? There is still a lot of work the USA can do to bring down the numbers, other than waiting for the vaccine to become available.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
so your saying if you lecture people enough they just pretend to let you win so you shut up....

No! That is how you WANT to interpret my comments to save face. I try only to appeal to a person's ability to reason(inductive and deductive). What I am saying is that you keep spewing out your one-sided, attention-serving, intellectually dishonest, and fallacy-riddled messages, to cause fear and panic in the public. This is just being irresponsible. I have only asked you to balance your reporting, by including all the facts in their proper context. Not to be like FOX News in your reporting. To include in your reporting the actual numbers of people still infected(total number of cases, minus those who have died and recovered) in the world, the US, and in Australia. To include WHY people have died from this virus, WHO are the most vulnerable and why? Maybe you might even explain, WHAT makes this virus more dangerous than the other viruses? Maybe you might want to mention, the percentage of the population that have been infected, that will recover, and why as more and more people recover, the less and less people that can be infected? And, even to raise questions about the US policy to not separate deaths WITH the coronavirus, and the deaths FROM the coronavirus?

But you won't do any of these things, will you? There are people who love, spreading misery, and causing panic and fear. It gives them a false sense of power and importance.

What you are only saying to me, is that you can't attack the facts and stats, you can't attack the logic, and you can't attack the truth, so you attack the person! Hence why you avoid the points, questions, facts and stats, that I raise like the plague. You are no different than the guy claiming to be Napoleon. He also lets me win, so I would go away. But, he is still NOT Napoleon!!
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho 💉💉
Staff member
Oh dear lord! Covid 19 flareup in SA. Restrictions on entry to Tassie again—pretty mild at this stage. What now?
 

johnsmith

Moderator
Staff member
List the top 3-5 things you think the U.S. should do right now.
make masks madatory, limit the sizes of crowds, both indoors and outdoors, enforce social distancing, make the testing of anyone who has symptoms mandatory, limit movement to and from areas where covid is known to be in the community, improve contact tracing
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho 💉💉
Staff member
It seems SA Health has been on top of this, no new cases. In the outer northern suburb of Parafield Gardens:
Details from SA chief public health officer Nicola Spurrier
She says there haven't been any new cases added to the cluster in Parafield Gardens since their last update.

There are 34 active cases in South Australia.
"Importantly, all the positive cases with this cluster are in our medi-hotels and this family, as people may be aware, it's a large family that make up the majority of this cluster, have been extremely helpful and have really supported our efforts working through this."
There are also three children that there have been some issues testing, but they're being treated as if they are positive cases as far as quarantine and isolation goes. They're going to be retested.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11...a-live-news-covid-19-latest-adelaide/12886306
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
List the top 3-5 things you think the U.S. should do right now.

You beat me to it. Since people are blaming ONE man for the death of thousands, then surely they must have some ideas on how they would stop it? And, while they're at it, maybe they can address the 2.5M million other deaths each year in the US(strokes, cancer, accidental, heart attacks, diabetes, etc.)? Or, the 258.5K(Covid-19 is 907 deaths) other deaths per year in Australia? Should we also blame one man for the 98.4% of those who have recovered?

How about if we test all citizens for the coronavirus. Those who test positive, are to be shot and killed on site. It is only less than 1% of the population, so it is only a small price to pay, to save the rest of humanity from this killer virus.

How about if we issue everyone with fully self-contained Hazmat suits, and start building world communities under the oceans. We can all live there for the rest of our lives. Procreation might be a problem, but hey, it's only a start?

How about if the government builds covid-19 interment prisons, to house anyone who tests positive for the disease? Keep them there for 3 weeks, and then retest them. If they no longer test positive, then they are free to leave.

How about the government providing more resources in isolating our elderly from being exposed to this virus? Maybe we could restrict, mask, and test all those that come into contact with our elderly.

We know from the data, that separating 330M people 2 meters apart is ineffective, impractical, unenforceable, and impossible. And, unless, you are wearing a plastic hamster walking bubble with a diameter of 4 meters, then there is no way to consistently maintain safe distancing. Can anyone maintain a consistent speed while driving? We can clearly see by the numbers, that this just doesn't work, and could never have worked.

Isolating 330M people, or a country, is also an impractical solution. Do you know where viruses originally come from? What about the viruses that are already dormant in your cells now? And, have been there for years? What about airborne viruses, and those dormant on surfaces? How about the 200 other viruses that we live with everyday? What are the factors that cause viruses to to become virulent pathogens? How does temperature, density, climate, or other factors affect the life-cycle of a virus?

The only thing we can do, is treat the illness, isolate those most at risk, educate the public(stay at home if you have any of these symptoms), and let our immune system do its job. Just like we have done for the last 70 years.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
lets start with you, but we skip the test

Aw, did I hurt your widdle widdle feelings? Or, did someone lie to you, that you are a funny funny guy? I personally think that a bullet is worth more than you will ever be. Fortunately, your entertainment value alone is priceless, moron!
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
Would take YEARS to do 25m tests.

If we started today with the almost 40,000 test that we already performed per day, it would take 1,7 years to test 25M people. If we subtract those that have already been tested months ago, newborns, and everyone under 18 years old, it will be a hell of a lot sooner.

So NOT years, more like months. Oh, and less than 1% of all those tested are ever positive.
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho 💉💉
Staff member
Get fucked! SA flareup is looking worse and worse. I think I can forget my Dec-Jan trip and working on my block trip tho I will try my hardest to make it regardless!

We also cannot ignore those tested previously. People under 18 can get the virus and spread it!
 

johnsmith

Moderator
Staff member
Aw, did I hurt your widdle widdle feelings? Or, did someone lie to you, that you are a funny funny guy? I personally think that a bullet is worth more than you will ever be. Fortunately, your entertainment value alone is priceless, moron!
No, I'd have to give a rats arse about your opinion to have my feeling hurt ... so thats a fail on your part .... again
and the only liar on here is you, as has been proven countless times.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
No! That is how you WANT to interpret my comments to save face. I try only to appeal to a person's ability to reason(inductive and deductive). What I am saying is that you keep spewing out your one-sided, attention-serving, intellectually dishonest, and fallacy-riddled messages, to cause fear and panic in the public. This is just being irresponsible. I have only asked you to balance your reporting, by including all the facts in their proper context. Not to be like FOX News in your reporting. To include in your reporting the actual numbers of people still infected(total number of cases, minus those who have died and recovered) in the world, the US, and in Australia. To include WHY people have died from this virus, WHO are the most vulnerable and why? Maybe you might even explain, WHAT makes this virus more dangerous than the other viruses? Maybe you might want to mention, the percentage of the population that have been infected, that will recover, and why as more and more people recover, the less and less people that can be infected? And, even to raise questions about the US policy to not separate deaths WITH the coronavirus, and the deaths FROM the coronavirus?

But you won't do any of these things, will you? There are people who love, spreading misery, and causing panic and fear. It gives them a false sense of power and importance.

What you are only saying to me, is that you can't attack the facts and stats, you can't attack the logic, and you can't attack the truth, so you attack the person! Hence why you avoid the points, questions, facts and stats, that I raise like the plague. You are no different than the guy claiming to be Napoleon. He also lets me win, so I would go away. But, he is still NOT Napoleon!!
Again you misunderstand.
I accept that the facts and figures you post are a fair enough assessment...Certainly more information than anywhere else, and I don't think your figures are suspect.

WHAT I disagree with is your interpretation of what these facts mean.

Plain and simple... and it is common that humans , given the same information, will derive views based on that information that fluctuate and are often diametrically opposed.

No surprise really. I find your constant harping somewhat annoying, and your demands that people answer YOUR QUESTIONS , posited as they are, as OFFENSIVE. Your insults I ignore as meaningless.

Simply a difference of opinion, in my view, and yet you cannot contain yourself and the angry words flow...

Crikey mate. Don't have a heart attack.!
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
Get fucked! SA flareup is looking worse and worse. I think I can forget my Dec-Jan trip and working on my block trip tho I will try my hardest to make it regardless!

We also cannot ignore those tested previously. People under 18 can get the virus and spread it!
Bugger. Bad news indeed.
 
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