Covid-19 Revisit

johnsmith

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I think it's we know what the virus is attacking and protecting those citizens better that are susceptible... look at Italy Spain France and UK even New York, not prepared at all on how bad it would be and caught with their pants down... Then look at China and the South east Asian countries that have had recent bad virus infections like South Korea, Vietnam and Thailand , lock-downs right away , just about everyone wearing masks. Very good Containment.....
Just on our home front, look at the lessons QLD learnt from the dying aged in Victoria.. Every time there has been even a wiff of infection they have really looked after Aged Care Facilities....
Unfortunately it normally takes either tragedy or a kick in the wallet to make changes, this is no different...

then the same idiots will blame Dan for bringing back restrictions
 

Shellandshilo1956

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The truth is Shell we don't know. Less than a year in, we have a long way to go to understand the consequences.
But at what costs? And, at what sacrifice? Any and all? Do you think that those that are enacting these restrictions and closures, are sacrificing anything at all? Or, is their sacrifice costing them anything at all? Of course not!!

What is it that you think we DON'T know about this virus? What is it that you think we NEED to know about this virus? And, what are the consequences that we NEED to understand about this virus? How long do you think it will take? Infinity?
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
I'd say the Victorian Premier has paid a significant price, as have all those ill, and those who have died. I am happy I live here. Money is irrelevant, in the course of things.

Seems you are still pretending this is nothing much, just another virus. ! I never considered that at all. Became clear quite early on that this was something of much more infectiousness and not to be compared to flu's impact. Different and dangerous.

So you'd prefer that we had followed the European Approach..? GOSH.. they've started lockdowns... :deadhorse:roll:headscratcher3

Why on earth is THAT a better model than the one we Antipodeans have followed.?
 

DonDeeHippy

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Sweden, which has shunned lockdowns throughout the pandemic, has registered 2,820 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours, the highest daily figure since the pandemic began.
The October 28 figure eclipsed a record set only the previous day, when more than 2,400 cases were announced, Health Agency statistics show.

It was the third record number in a matter of days and came as the country's chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell warned against the strategy of attaining herd immunity.

"Striving for herd immunity is neither ethical nor otherwise justifiable," Dr Tegnell told German paper Die Zeit.


Now Sweden, the Anti lock-down crazies poster child are realizing they made a mistake.....

Would bring it to shell's attention but he would just say it's not Australia doesn't effect us.....:groan

They are running out of hospital beds.... dam it destroys the health systems of these countries quick.....

Thankfully the Australian Governments are on it and keeping it under control.....
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
I'd say the Victorian Premier has paid a significant price, as have all those ill, and those who have died. I am happy I live here. Money is irrelevant, in the course of things.
I said, "Or, is their sacrifice costing them anything at all? ". It may, or may not have anything to do with a dollar cost. I guarantee you, that they won't be suffering like most Australians. Do you think that they will be worried about their next payday? Their next bill or mortgage payment? Their next phone call from creditors? Or, their next family meal? So if they shutdown the economy, put a million people on the dole, close down our borders, force people to self-isolate, and arrest those who don't, it will not affect them in anyway. What is the specific price(red herring) is this Premier supposedly paying? He is a politician, and doesn't give a shit about you. Image is all he cares about.

And now that the ignorant and the gullible have given the government the power to suspend their personal rights and freedoms, the more we will become dependent on the government. Not the other way around. Do you really think that the government will just give this power back, once this hyped crisis ends? Since you all went belly-up on this nonsense, they can now do whatever they like to you. As long as they put the right spin on it.

Now we have government stooges, still fear-mongering half-truths and ignoring stats. They will always continue to ignore context, any variables, and ignore the proper perspectives. They will continue to cherry-pick their own stats, to justify their own logic. Where I see only 2,340 Australians still infected, they spew out 27,580 infected Australians(ignoring those who have recovered), just to fear monger their narrative.

Do they ever mention the number of people who have recovered(5,983,345 in the US), or how mild their symptoms were? NOPE!
Do they EVER mention the number of people in the population, who are NOT infected with the virus(only 2,340 people are still infected in Australia, and 14.7M people in the world))? NOPE!
Do they always mention the number of people who are infected, and NOT THE NUMBERS WHO HAVE RECOVERED? YES!
Do they EVER make any distinction between those who died FROM Covid-19, and those who died WITH Covid-19? NOPE!
Do they mention that the vast majority of 20-40yo are catching the disease, but it is mostly the 70+yo that are dying from it? NOPE!
Do they mention that the millions of people who have recovered, are the least likely to be re-infected or to infect others? NOPE!
Do they mention, that those with an uncompromised immune system, or without some underlying illness, WILL likely recover? NOPE!
Do they ever mention what percentage of the population, of those dead and those still infected(not recovered) represent? NOPE!
Do they always love to spew out stats from other countries, to falsely justify our own madness(false equivocation, ignorance)? YES!
Do they care about the plausibility of the practice of distancing 25M people, and the theory of distancing 25M people? NOPE!
Do they care that the minute you walk past someone, touch the wrong surface, or breathe in air, that you can be infected? NOPE!
Do they ever mention why mask are useless in stopping viruses(pores too big, poor fit, eyes and ears exposed)? NOPE!
Do they show any direct(not implied) evidence, that justifies destroying our economy, and by putting us in our worst recession, is actually working to stop this virus? NOPE!
Do they love to play the "blame game". Blaming people, countries, and governments, for not doing the same as us? YES!

It is just insanity to think that there is anything man can do, that will prevent any microorganism smaller than the wavelength of light, from infecting man. THAT IS THE JOB OF OUR EVOLUTIONARY EVOVED IMMUNE SYSTEM! And, no matter what we do, it will be our immune system, that will protect us from viruses(not social distancing) and other microorganisms. Only when enough people in the population become immune to the virus, will the virus become dormant and inactive again(as well as other factors).

But the governments will no doubt take credit for stopping the virus, and the scientist will just laugh at the gullible public. The government will always take credit for its successes, and spin bs for its failures and lies.

I have been beating this dead horse for a while now. And, clearly the subconscious need to conform and belong, far outweighs the cognitive need for the objective truth. You are simply not interested in objective facts. You are only interested in your own facts, and your own logic. If you want to believe that many times more people have NOT been infected and died, after the lockdown than before, then that is your business. If you wat to believe that it is possible to keep 25M people 1.5 meters from each other, or that shutting down the economy, and destroying lives is justified, then you have answered my question. AT ALL AND ANY COST! FUCK ANYONE THAT OBJECTS! The mind of a fanatic.
 
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pinkeye

Wonder woman
I said, "Or, is their sacrifice costing them anything at all? ". It may, or may not have anything to do with a dollar cost. I guarantee you, that they won't be suffering like most Australians. Do you think that they will be worried about their next payday? Their next bill or mortgage payment? Their next phone call from creditors? Or, their next family meal? So if they shutdown the economy, put a million people on the dole, close down our borders, force people to self-isolate, and arrest those who don't, it will not affect them in anyway. What is the specific price(red herring) is this Premier supposedly paying? He is a politician, and doesn't give a shit about you. Image is all he cares about.

And now that the ignorant and the gullible have given the government the power to suspend their personal rights and freedoms, the more we will become dependent on the government. Not the other way around. Do you really think that the government will just give this power back, once this hyped crisis ends? Since you all went belly-up on this nonsense, they can now do whatever they like to you. As long as they put the right spin on it.

Now we have government stooges, still fear-mongering half-truths and ignoring stats. They will always continue to ignore context, any variables, and ignore the proper perspectives. They will continue to cherry-pick their own stats, to justify their own logic. Where I see only 2,340 Australians still infected, they spew out 27,580 infected Australians(ignoring those who have recovered), just to fear monger their narrative.

Do they ever mention the number of people who have recovered(5,983,345 in the US), or how mild their symptoms were? NOPE!
Do they EVER mention the number of people in the population, that are NOT infected with the virus(only 2,340 people are still infected in Australia, and 14.7M people in the world))? NOPE!
Do they EVER make any distinction between those who died FROM Covid-19, and those who died WITH Covid-19? NOPE!
Do they mention that the vast majority of 20-40yo are catching the disease, but it is mostly the 70+yo that are dying from it? NOPE!
Do they mention that the millions of people who have recovered, are least likely to be re-infected or to infect others? NOPE!
Do they mention, that those with an uncompromised immune system, or without some underlying illness, WILL likely recover? NOPE!
Do they ever mention what percentage of the population, of those dead and those still infected(not recovered) represent? NOPE!
Do they always love to spew out stats from other countries, to falsely justify our own madness(false equivocation, ignorance)? YES!
Do they care about the plausibility of the practice of distancing 25M people, and the theory of distancing 25M people? NOPE!
Do they care that the minute you walk past someone, touch the wrong surface, or breathe in air, that you can be infected? NOPE!
Do they ever mention why mask are useless in stopping viruses(pores too big, poor fit, eyes and ears exposed)? NOPE!
Do they show any direct(not implied) evidence, that justifies destroying our economy, and by putting us in our worst recession, is actually working to stop this virus? NOPE!
Do they love to play the "blame game". Blaming people, countries, and governments, for not doing the same as us? YES!

It is just insanity to think that there is anything man can do, that will prevent any microorganism smaller than the wavelength of light, from infecting man. THAT IS THE JOB OF OUR EVOLUTIONARY EVOVED IMMUNE SYSTEM! And, no matter what we do, it will be our immune system, that will protect us from viruses(not social distancing) and other microorganisms. Only when enough people in the population become immune to the virus, will the virus become dormant and inactive again(as well as other factors).

But the governments will no doubt take credit for stopping the virus, and the scientist will just laugh at the gullible public. The government will always take credit for its successes, and spin bs for its failures and lies.

I have been beating this dead horse for a while now. And, clearly the subconscious need to conform and belong, far outweighs the cognitive need for the objective truth. You are simply not interested in objective facts. You are only interested in your own facts, and your own logic. If you want to believe that many times more people have NOT been infected and died, after the lockdown than before, then that is your business. If you wat to believe that it is possible to keep 25M people 1.5 meters from each other, or that shutting down the economy, and destroying lives is justified, then you have answered my question. AT ALL AND ANY COST! FUCK ANYONE THAT OBJECTS! The mind of a fanatic.

And this is something NEW.? Get over it.
This is nothing new, or particularly surprising.
Governments have been fucking us over from the very beginning.

It is the US and THEM syndrome.
Divide and Conquer.

YOU, my friend, are just part of the game, like all the rest of us.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
Oh and and as for your
Do they ever ....? series....

Often the answer can be yes.. but don't even THINK I'm going to argue about it with you.
Better things to do with my time

Like play Solitaire.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
And this is something NEW.? Get over it.
This is nothing new, or particularly surprising.
Governments have been fucking us over from the very beginning.

It is the US and THEM syndrome.
Divide and Conquer.

YOU, my friend, are just part of the game, like all the rest of us.
I think that you must have my confused with someone like you. I actually believe that one person CAN make a difference. And history supports that belief. But you have to start small, and unite around a single issue. But, as long as there are apathetic, complacent, and indifferent people like you, who will always go booty-up whatever the government throws at them, no change will happen. Even the Black Americans and White sympathizers during the civil rights period(1954-1968), were not as brow-beaten as you are. Every politician may have been a closet bigots, but they still knew the potential of having the Black Vote.

For example, Allied Veterans living in Australia receive different benefits than Australian veterans. I am lobbying to change this practice. And, I will keep doing so, and encourage others to support me. Do you want petrol prices to stay under a dollar? Then do something about it, instead of whining! Vote the fuckers out! And they will begin doing for you, what you are now doing for them. This is NOT rocket science. Its a game of numbers and egos. If enough people wants something done, the government will get it done. If they don't they will be voted out. Voting, is the only weapon we have to make change. Other than social disobedience, to draw attention to grievances.

Do you really think that regardless of a politician's party affiliation, that they do not belong to the same club? Then you are naïve as well. Do you think that there is no pecking/acceptance hierarchy that all junior MP's must go through, to earn their place? They are all the same!! They certainly stand together, and are accountable to each other, rather than the people they represent. So why can't we? BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU!

Often the answer can be yes.. but don't even THINK I'm going to argue about it with you.
Better things to do with my time
I don't expect you to argue about anything. I expect you to continue burying you head in the sand, and making excuses for everything. Or, to spread your own impotence to others, like the "Hee Haw" donkey in Winnie the pooh. The more complacent and closed-minded you are, the more powerful the government becomes. But hey, you can always keep bitching, whinging, and hoping for change. I just prefer to be a part of that change.
 
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DonDeeHippy

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whilst they have shunned mandatory shut downs, they do follow a volunteer based system .. and unlike stupid Australians, the Swedes, for the most part, listen.
Not really, 2820 infections yesterday, that would be the same rate of 7000 new infections in a day in Australia(Sweden 10 million, Aus 25 mil).
they have also have 6000 deaths, that would be 18,000 in Australia
Look at Norway their neighbor and see the difference with 280 deaths and half the population who have been in lock down......
 
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DonDeeHippy

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you do know what I do for a living, right?
:h
wouldn't effect you, the delivery price would just raise, then when you get a electric van then the price would go right down (and make you LOTS of money untill everyone gets a electric van).... If things are easy we will never change......
Look at all the people going to and fro the Gold coast and the sunshine coast to Brisbane each day with just one person in the car...
Even with work, it's crazy living on the sunshine coast and doing work in the gold coast...Would promote locals staying local and car pooling and Electric Vehicles in one fatal sweep....
Fuck Fossil Fuels.......
 

johnsmith

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wouldn't effect you, the delivery price would just raise, then when you get a electric van then the price would go right down (and make you LOTS of money untill everyone gets a electric van).... If things are easy we will never change......

yeah right ........................... and pigs will fly
 

DonDeeHippy

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The US just reported 9 million coronavirus cases:
0 to 1 million: 98 days
1 to 2 million: 44 days
2 to 3 million: 27 days
3 to 4 million: 15 days
4 to 5 million: 17 days
5 to 6 million: 22 days
6 to 7 million: 25 days
7 to 8 million: 21 days
8 to 9 million: 14 days
 

DonDeeHippy

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you do know what I do for a living, right?
:h
just out of interest, how many Kilometers do you do a day at work, well the high end of kilometers in a day...Just wondering if any electric van could replace your run... I know none of these vans are even in Australia yet and still very expensive....
 

johnsmith

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Staff member
just out of interest, how many Kilometers do you do a day at work, well the high end of kilometers in a day...Just wondering if any electric van could replace your run... I know none of these vans are even in Australia yet and still very expensive....
i only do about 80km a day.
 
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