China stymies US protests by imposing 'only patriots qualify' rule for election to government in Hong Kong

Squire

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How could the USA oppose such a rule when it also applies in the USA.

China is playing chess while the USA is playing checkers.

This is a stunning checkmate by China that has stunned and silenced the USA.

https://www.newsweek.com/china-defend-legal-push-patriots-hong-kong-1574590

China Defends Legal Push to Ensure Only 'Patriots' Represent Hong Kong
BY TOM O'CONNOR ON 3/8/21 AT 3:31 PM EST

Chinese officials are defending an anticipated overhaul of semi-autonomous Hong Kong's elections law, which are set to include more stringent measures to exclude prospective candidates who support independence from the mainland.

"This conference will make a decision on improving the election system of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region," Chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress Li Zhanshu said Monday.

He detailed the agenda of the annual Two Sessions, a consequential time for Chinese political decision-making.

"The National People's Congress will unswervingly safeguard national sovereignty, security, and development interests in accordance with the law, and provide legal protection for maintaining Hong Kong's constitutional order," Li said, "combating 'Hong Kong independence' forces, ensuring that patriots rule Hong Kong, and maintaining Hong Kong's long-term prosperity and stability!"

The expected move has been discussed as part of a series of decisions being deliberated for the 13th National People's Congress and Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference events.

It would come less than a year after Beijing passed a national security law that extended the central government's control over Hong Kong after a series of demonstrations in favor of greater autonomy rocked the special administrative region, resulting in sometimes violent clashes between protesters and police.

Amid criticisms that the latest legislation limiting Hong Kong opposition's political potential ran contrary to the "one country, two systems" framework, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told reporters Sunday he sought to set the record straight.

"The move to improve Hong Kong's electoral system and ensure 'patriots administering Hong Kong' is necessitated by the need to advance the One Country, Two Systems cause and maintain long-term stability in Hong Kong," Wang said. "It is a constitutional power and responsibility of the NPC, and is totally constitutional, lawful and justified."

Demonstrating support for one's country, he argued, was a fundamental factor for anyone running for office across the globe.

"Loyalty to the motherland is a basic political ethic of all public office holders and aspirants anywhere in the world. Hong Kong is no exception," Wang added. "Hong Kong is a special administrative region of China, a part of the People's Republic. How can we expect someone who does not love his motherland to truly love Hong Kong? Loving Hong Kong and loving the motherland are consistent requirements."

Hong Kong underwent 150 years of U.K. control before being handed over to China in 1997 under the "one country, two systems" formula that allows Hong Kong to partially administer its own affairs while ultimately remaining a part of the rest of the nation. Today, the United Kingdom and a number of other former colonies including Australia, Canada and the United States have accused China of undermining democracy in Hong Kong.

"The United States condemns the PRC's continuing assault on democratic institutions in Hong Kong," State Department spokesperson Ned Price said Friday, calling the upcoming plans to alter Hong Kong's election laws "a direct attack on Hong Kong's autonomy, Hong Kong's freedoms, and the democratic processes, limiting participation, reducing democratic representation, and stifling political debate in order to defy the clear will of the people of Hong Kong and to deny their voice in their own government and governance."

Price said the Biden administration "stands together with the people of Hong Kong, the people of Hong Kong who are seeking nothing more than the universal rights to which they are owed and should be guaranteed."

Wang argued Sunday, however, that democracy did not exist under the previous U.K.-ruled administration, and that Chinese reforms have actually empowered the region rather than oppress it.

"Under the colonial rule, there was no democracy to speak of in Hong Kong," Wang said. "Over the past 24 years since Hong Kong's return, no one has cared more about Hong Kong's democracy and continued prosperity and stability than the Central Government of China."


He said residents and investors alike would benefit from the changes, which were made with Hong Kong's best interests in mind.

"Hong Kong's shift from chaos to stability fully serves the interests of all parties. It will provide stronger safeguards for protecting the rights and interests of Hong Kong residents and the lawful interests of foreign investors," Wang said.

He reiterated China's unified policy toward Hong Kong.


"We have the resolve to continue to implement 'one country, two systems' under which the people of Hong Kong administer Hong Kong with a high degree of autonomy," Wang said. "We also have the confidence to usher in a brighter future for Hong Kong."

Asked about criticism from U.S. President Joe Biden's administration toward alleged human rights abuses in Hong Kong, Tibet and Xinjiang, Wang emphasized a need for "non-interference" to be core in bilateral relations between Beijing and Washington.

"The issues you referred to are mostly China's internal affairs. The Chinese people are in the best position to tell whether China is doing a good job," Wang said. "The Chinese people can best decide what is the right thing for China to do,"

He once again emphasized the "sovereignty" strain that has become a part of most official Chinese foreign policy communications.

"In the meantime, we are willing to communicate with all sides on the basis of respect for sovereignty to enhance mutual trust, remove misunderstanding, and share relevant facts," Wang said. "But we will not accept groundless accusations or defamation, and we will not allow our core interests to be breached."

He accused the U.S. of "willfully interfering in other countries' internal affairs in the name of democracy and human rights," an endeavor that "has created lots of trouble in the world and, in some cases, turbulence and conflict," one that should be rectified immediately.

While the U.S. and other major Anglophone countries continue to speak out against China's moves in Hong Kong, a number of other countries have voiced support for Beijing's position.

The permanent mission of Belarus to the United Nations spoke Friday on behalf of 70 member states who issued a joint statement at the 46th Human Rights Council session praising Chinese actions in response to unrest in Hong Kong and denouncing foreign designs for interfering in China's domestic affairs.


The comments were welcomed by Chinese Foreign Ministry spokespersons Wang Wenbin and Zhao Lijian in two separate briefings on Friday and Monday, respectively.

"Once again, the U.N. Human Rights Council was echoed with calls for justice jointly uttered by a great number of developing countries," the two men said. "It is crystal-clear that facts speak so much louder and justice will never fail to prevail."

Wang and Zhao reaffirmed China's commitment to the "one country, two systems" approach while vowing to defend the country against outside influence.


"China is determined in safeguarding national sovereignty, security and development interests, in implementing 'one country, two systems,' and in upholding prosperity and stability in Hong Kong," they said. "We urge the relevant parties to strictly observe international law and basic norms governing international relations, and stop interfering in Hong Kong affairs and China's internal affairs in any way."

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Chinese President Xi Jinping, top center, Premier Li Keqiang, right, and National People's Congress Chairman Li Zhanshu applaud during a speech at the second plenary session of the National People's Congress at the Great Hall of the People on March 8 in Beijing, China. "The National People's Congress will unswervingly safeguard national sovereignty, security, and development interests in accordance with the law, and provide legal protection for maintaining Hong Kong's constitutional order, combating "Hong Kong independence" forces, ensuring that patriots rule Hong Kong, and maintaining Hong Kong's long-term prosperity and stability!" Li Zhanshu said.
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The upcoming shakeup in Hong Kong's electoral laws was also welcomed by Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam, who assured that the central government's goals were geared toward protecting the special administrative region from potentially harmful politicians coming to power.


"How could one who is governing a place not be patriotic to that country? It is inconceivable," she said. "This is the objective of this exercise, and I have to make it very clear that the improvements only seek to ensure that it is patriots administering Hong Kong."

Lam said the changes are necessary in order for Hong Kong to move forward.

"And it is only when that is assured then we could ensure the stability and prosperity of Hong Kong, we could effectively safeguard Hong Kong SAR's constitutional order under the Basic Law ," she said. "and we could also effectively resolve those deep-seated problems in Hong Kong and achieve Hong Kong's prosperity and stability."


She warned against "deficiencies in the electoral system, which could be exploited by people, including some external forces, and hence return politicians who may take advantage of their position to undermine governance or even to undermine national security and development interests of the country."

Top Hong Kong dissidents who have not yet been arrested have openly sought the help of Washington and other powers in a bid to push back against Beijing. Nathan Law, a former Hong Kong opposition lawmaker who moved to London last year, was set to testify Wednesday at the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken also honored Chinese human rights lawyer Wang Yu on Monday, which marks International Women's Day, for having "represented cases involving abused children, ethnic minorities, women, and religious adherents," work he said "has brought government pressure on her through today."


Wang was arrested in a 2015 sweep of civil rights lawyers accused of subverting the state and the State Department has said she now faced an "exit ban."

Despite a change of administration in the White House, where former President Donald Trump first issued a tough stance against China, the U.S. has maintained a hardline stance toward the People's Republic. Still, both sides have hinted at the need for cooperation in certain fields.
 

johnsmith

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i don't think anyone should be surprised that china had resumed total control of Hong Kong.
 

Squire

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China is diplomatically outplaying the US in geopolitics.

How could the US protest about patriotism being a prequalification for participation in politics and elections when it is exactly the same prequalification in the USA.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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China is diplomatically outplaying the US in geopolitics.

How could the US protest about patriotism being a prequalification for participation in politics and elections when it is exactly the same prequalification in the USA.

There are only 3 prerequisites required to vote in the US. Must be at least 18 years old and US citizen. Must satisfy residency requirements within that state. And, must be registered to vote within that state. Did you know that US citizens, who reside in US territories can't vote for the President in a general elections? In fact, before 1961 the US citizens in Washington DC couldn't vote for president(until the 23rd Amendment).

Also until 1836 Texas was originally part of Mexico. Mexico lost in its fight to keep Texas. Hong Kong was originally a part of China. The Chinese agreed to lease Hong Kong to the British for 99 years. That agreement was complied with, and ended long ago. This agreement has nothing to do with the US at all. If the US didn't export over $45B, and import only $16.3B in goods and services from Hong Kong, they wouldn't give a shit about the territory.

Either negotiate, or move on. Being a greedy nation of capitalist imperialists, is not what you want to advertise globally. The entire wealth of the just 86 of the Billionaires in New York alone, is more than the entire GDP of Australia($496B). Isn't this enough?
 

Squire

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You missed the point which was about patriotism being a prequalification for "participation in politics and elections" in both Hong Kong and the USA as a candidate or prospective candidate.

Also, the Australian GDP in 2020 is ~US$ 1.33 Trillion.
 
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Shellandshilo1956

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Clearly I have. However, personal patriotism is irrelevant, and is certainly NOT a prerequisite to participate in politics and elections. America will always choose the narrative that suits it purposes. America has always been about "do as I say, and NOT as I do.".

But let me ask you, what is it that China is doing to the US? How does its business practices threaten the US's economy? I truly understand what China(business elites) are doing to the US. And, it should be stopped/controlled. But this is a separate issue than its takeover of Hong Kong. It is not our business.
 

Squire

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China has unity of purpose in its government which Western democracies do not have and probably will never have because of the partisan nature of Western politics.

Furthermore, Chinese politicians do not give the appearance of wanting to become billionaires which is an ambition even the lowliest US politicians have.

The Chinese economy is self-sustaining and probably can't be easily stopped short of war. I doubt that even a war could stop the advance of the Chinese economy and technology, and it might even be speeded up by war.

Personal patriotism is not irrelevant in the USA and no US politician would be elected, or even survive in politics if he-she were denounced as unpatriotic. That is why jingoism is so prevalent in the USA.

The Chinese have used a clever ploy in announcing that only patriots will be allowed to participate in politics and elections as candidates.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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China has unity of purpose in its government which Western democracies do not have and probably will never have because of the partisan nature of Western politics.
You do realize that China is the oldest Unitary one-party Socialist Republic(72 years) in the world? This means that the State/Collective controls all the means and productions that produce all of the wealth in the State. This wealth is then distributed proportionally by the collective/government, to satisfy everyone's basic needs(housing, education, healthcare, etc.). This means, that there are no more class distinctions based on how much you own. This will NEVER happen in any Democratic Republic, which is driven by Capitalism, and the free market system of wealth distribution.

Furthermore, Chinese politicians do not give the appearance of wanting to become billionaires which is an ambition even the lowliest US politicians have.
The wealth distribution under any Socialist government, operates under the premise, that what is good for one is also good for all. And, vice-versa. So, under this system of governance, it is the government/collective that decides on how wealth will be distributed among the public. However, since there are 389 Billionaires in China(#2 behind the US's 615), it is clearly NOT a true Socialist Republic. It is also clearly not concerned with appearances.

The Chinese economy is self-sustaining and probably can't be easily stopped short of war. I doubt that even a war could stop the advance of the Chinese economy and technology, and it might even be speeded up by war.
No economy in the world is self-sustaining. Especially, not as part of a global economy. All economies need the occasional adjusting. China does have a 5 year plan to become self-reliant(not self-sustaining). It also seem to be one of the few global economies that is growing, while most other global economies are contracting.

Personal patriotism is not irrelevant in the USA and no US politician would be elected, or even survive in politics if he-she were denounced as unpatriotic. That is why jingoism is so prevalent in the USA.
This really says more about the limited perspective of the people in America. Being patriotic is like being religious. I agree, that if any politician admitted that he didn't give a shit about the needs of his constituents, or about the values and ideals of his country, or that God was only a social construct created to control the ignorant, that his chances of being elected to clean elephant shit in the US would be Buckley's. However, people still voted for Trump didn't they!!!!? And, he was a frigging sociopath, that didn't give a shit about anyone or anything, except himself. I think that the end result would be the same, whether a professed unpatriotic person was allowed to run for political office in China, or openly runs for political office in the US. They would still lose.

Extreme patriotism(Jingoism) can be just as dangerous to society, as any moronic zealot's religious beliefs can be. Both are based on the lies, and creative writings of the governments accepted version of history. What is the history of the Aboriginals, that is depicted in the Australian history books? How about the American Indians? Or, the historical depiction of Black and Asian Americans in America history books? Are their histories proportionally represented in the history books as White Americans? History is not written by the poor, for the poor, or about the poor.

Other than an emotional need to bear and guns(through Hollywood and misrepresenting the Constitution), can you name just one thing that is true about America that deserves this level of patriotism? Especially, if you are NOT a White American? And, please don't say "opportunities" or "freedoms".
 
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