China grossly outperforming all developed countries in Covid prevention and treatment.

Squire

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It is amazing that contries are not choosing to seek advice from China and follow China's prevention and treatment methods.






Australia's chart:
 

Squire

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China could take a major leap in GDP growth compared to the USA in 2020-21.

US GDP is likely to be down > 10% from ~19.5 to 17.5 $Trillion while the Chinese economy is likely to be up 6% from 12.5 to 13.25 $Trillion positioning China to exceed US GDP in 10 years or less.

The worst is yet to come in economic effects in the USA due to the current growth of the rate of spread of Covid.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...demand-u-s-tensions-raise-risks-idUSKCN24H0AM

... But debt worries have kept a leash on China’s stimulus tap. Net fiscal stimulus unveiled so this year amounted to just over 4 trillion yuan ($571.76 billion), much restrained compared the spending burst in other major economies including the United States and Japan.

The Institute of International Finance estimates China’s total debt rose to 317% of gross domestic product in the first quarter of 2020, up from 300% in late 2019 and the largest quarterly increase on record.

The industrial economy offered some hope for the nation as it tries to regain its footing, with output in the vast sector rising 4.8% in June from a year earlier, the third straight month of growth, the data showed, quickening from a 4.4% rise in May. ...

... Fixed asset investment fell a less-than-expected 3.1% in the first half from the same period in 2019, moderating from a 6.3% decline in the first five months, while real estate investment growth also quickened to 8.5% in June, thanks to the credit boost.
While the International Monetary Fund has forecast China to expand 1.0% for the full year, the only major economy expected to report growth in 2020, many analysts caution about the outlook. ...
 
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johnsmith

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Whilst it's great if true, I'm always a little skeptical about any govt. figures coming out of China
 

Kelpie

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If you actually believe any CCP data you're a fool. Furthermore, Chinese economic figures, even if true are powered by salve labour (literally Uyghur slaves) and even their voluntary workers are forced into abhorrent conditions. Anti-suicide nets around factories???

I'm very suspicious of anyone who crows about China's supremacy over the west.
 

DonDeeHippy

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If you actually believe any CCP data you're a fool. Furthermore, Chinese economic figures, even if true are powered by salve labour (literally Uyghur slaves) and even their voluntary workers are forced into abhorrent conditions. Anti-suicide nets around factories???

I'm very suspicious of anyone who crows about China's supremacy over the west.
If China where fudging their infection and death numbers of the Trump Flu , We would find out, I bet the whole USA intelligence agency has been madly scrambling in China for the last 9 months to find the evidence to back Trumps mad ravings......
Face it China and really most of South East Asia have been keeping the Trump Flu under control very well....
They have faced bad Virus scares in recent history and respond well to containing these Viruses...
 

Squire

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Australian skeptics are dogmatized by anti-China propaganda.

In regard to the Uyghur situation, the Uyghurs have been responsible for many deaths from terrorism in China.

While the Chinese intern Uyghurs, reeducate them, and put them to work, the Americans kill any Muslims who oppose them.

This is internment by Americans:

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Kelpie

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I was referring to their economic figures, not Covid. On Covid, there are certain advantages a police state has during a pandemic.

Why do you call it the Trump virus, did you hear some far left pendant call it that and think it's clever?
 

DonDeeHippy

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I was referring to their economic figures, not Covid. On Covid, there are certain advantages a police state has during a pandemic.

Why do you call it the Trump virus, did you hear some far left pendant call it that and think it's clever?
Because Trump is solely responsible for the most infection and Deaths from Covid-19......and the idiot keeps calling it the Flu.....
 

DonDeeHippy

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Lots of other countries that are not police states have been very good at controlling Trump Flu numbers.....China is just one....

Because Trump is solely responsible for the most infection and Deaths from Covid-19......and the idiot keeps calling it the Flu.....
he also keeps calling it the China Flu... really it was only first detected there.....USA have been the champions for the Virus though.....
 

Kelpie

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Before we go any further, are you interested in nuanced answers to complex problems, or do you want to hold your breath and shout that Trump is to blame for every problem ever ever ever?
 

DonDeeHippy

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Before we go any further, are you interested in nuanced answers to complex problems, or do you want to hold your breath and shout that Trump is to blame for every problem ever ever ever?
Nope just his handling of C-19
after 3 years he hit a problem he couldnt solve with giving money to big buisness or division (his 2 policies) and he failed miserably
 

Kelpie

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Let's see if you can walk and chew gum.

Hate Trump all you like, and yes, he screwed up the Covid response. A strong and well-respected leader would have saved lives, some lives, but impossible to put a number on how many. There's also a whole lot of blame to go around. The initial response from the NY mayor and NY governor was appalling which brings us to our next point. Getting Americans to do anything (other than go to war) is like herding cats. American culture is so diverse you can hardly imagine it can be a country. I've spent about 11 years there, from Maine, Vermont to New Mexico and Texas. Compared to the USA, Australia is politically homogenous.

Next, we have the US health system. The best in the world if you have money and insurance and dysfunctional for the rest. Pre dates Trump, 8 years of Obama, Bush.....etc etc etc.

Until this cycle of ultra partisanship (which I blame both sides of politics for) cools down, pandemics will be hard to control.
 

johnsmith

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Until this cycle of ultra partisanship (which I blame both sides of politics for) cools down, pandemics will be hard to control.

As the President, he has a responsibility to the citizens of the USA to put aside party politics and put the health and lives of the USA's citizens first. Trump failed big time. Not only did he fail to put aside any party politics, he promoted division and even encouraged his supporters to ignore the medical experts.

Whilst it's all to easy to say 'both sides of politics do it', I cannot see any previous president, from either side of politics, fostering and encouraging such division whilst knowing the potential cost to lives. Many countries have party politics, many have diverse cultures,but NONE have failed with covid to the scale that the USA has. The blame has to rest on one man and one man only, that is the President of the day.
 

DonDeeHippy

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He also didn't give his people a choice but to go back to work.. he gave trillions to big business but gave a one off payment of $600 over 6 months ago now......(his other policy of giving to the corporations)
USA is the only country with continuous high infections now for 9 months with the last week by far the highest....
As for New York, they didn't even close the borders of the state, would of had Trump frothing at the mouth if they did.... you are right they are all mad that way in the USA, Trump is the one they voted for....

In the important time when Europe where starting to get infections Trump did nothing but say is was a Democratic hoax and one day it will all disappear.... The end of January after all the Major Airlines banned flights to China he banned travel to china.

He did nothing until the end of March and even then he was promising they would all be able to go to church for Easter.....

Instead of uniting the country he couldn't help himself and went out of his way to bad mouth Democratic States and encourage bad behavior of Republican States....(division)

Even then his every response was about how it effected HIM and his chance of being reelected, not concern for his people...This hasn't changed....

The Trump administration have completely ignored the Trump flu officially for the last 6 weeks because Pence is in charge and he was campaigning..... That's is part of Trump legacy.......They had a Million new cases in 9 days and did nothing, actually until Monday they still have done nothing .......

Think about New Zealand, is the PM getting the credit for how they handled the Virus ????
Why should USA be different
 
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johnsmith

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Even then his every response was about how it effected HIM and his chance of being reelected, not concern for his people...This hasn't changed....

Trump was trying to get china to agree to buy more US products, and acknowledging the china virus or closing the borders put that at risk. What he failed to understand was that doing nothing would lead to the same result. He'd hoped he'd be able to claim he had a deal with china ... that was more important to him than saving lives
 

pinkeye

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If you actually believe any CCP data you're a fool. Furthermore, Chinese economic figures, even if true are powered by salve labour (literally Uyghur slaves) and even their voluntary workers are forced into abhorrent conditions. Anti-suicide nets around factories???

I'm very suspicious of anyone who crows about China's supremacy over the west.
OH yeah.. SLAVES are at the base of chinese productivity. A bit like the US way back when. Not the whites, but the slaves made the US, just as they now power China. Sorry US, you can't have slaves anymore.
 

DonDeeHippy

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Trump was trying to get china to agree to buy more US products, and acknowledging the china virus or closing the borders put that at risk. What he failed to understand was that doing nothing would lead to the same result. He'd hoped he'd be able to claim he had a deal with china ... that was more important to him than saving lives
yeah when C-19 first started , Trump was still very pro China saying they had it all under control and what great leadership they had, when the deal went sour it became the China Flu and all the sudden they became the enemy...
 
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