'Bring Your Dreams' ... BYD Chinese electric cars are coming to Australia ... Affordable Chinese electric vehicles to be sold in Australia from 2022

Squire

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This will be interesting in respect to competition to Tesla.

It is likely these Chinese cars will appear in the US market before they appear in Australia.

However, it could also be a test marketing campaign such as many Asian companies do in Australia where each individual city and region in Australia is a convenient size test market for Western consumer acceptance testing.



https://www.smh.com.au/national/aff...d-in-australia-from-2022-20210219-p57427.html

Affordable Chinese electric vehicles to be sold in Australia from 2022
By Justin Narayen
February 20, 2021 — 1.59pm

One of China’s largest electric vehicle companies, BYD Auto, has signed an agreement to sell cars in Australia, with the first cars due to arrive next year.

BYD (Bring Your Dreams) has been experimenting in Australia with a handful of cars since 2015 – including five electric taxis on Sydney’s roads for the past five years. A BYD SUV, sedan and van have also been spotted in Sydney over the past six months.

Initially, the Australian distributor, Nexport, plans to sell BYD vehicles online only; for now, it says there are no plans to establish a dealer showroom network. Pricing is expected to be revealed later this year.

The fully electric BYD Han model is expected to be available in Australia next year via online only purchase.

The agreement means Nexport becomes the brand’s right-hand drive market distributor within the Asia-Pacific region.

The arrangement marks the first third-party agreement of this kind that BYD has entered into globally.

Nexport CEO Luke Todd said the company’s business strategy “shakes up the Australian dealership model” and will “deliver high quality electric vehicles from the manufacturer direct to the customer”.

“The dealership network model is broken when it comes to electric vehicles. Under our model, we will be reducing the price to consumers by as much as 30 per cent,” he said.

“A heavy reliance on aftersales and convoluted importation processes adds unnecessary cost. By revamping these processes, we’re targeting a sale price that’s at parity with internal combustion vehicles.”

While Nexport has already imported current-generation BYD electric vehicles into Australia, they are not the final products Australians will be able to buy.

Nexport plans to launch a future range of BYD products that have yet to be revealed globally.

“All next generation BYD products will feature the brand’s proprietary ‘Blade Battery’ technology and are unlike any other offerings currently in Australia” Mr Todd said.

The first BYD cars destined for Australia are expected to be revealed at the Shanghai Auto Show on April 21, 2021.

The Australian line-up is likely to consist of fully-electric offerings only, and include a medium-sized SUV, and medium-sized sports sedan – like the BYD Han that is currently in Australia on promotional duty.

Nexport plans to pre-launch the BYD brand in Australia mid-way through this year and begin accepting pre-orders at that time.

It also has plans to open a customer experience centre in the Sydney CBD to build interest before first customer deliveries commence in the first half of 2022.

Last year, BYD reportedly sold 461,399 vehicles globally. Of that figure, 130,970 were fully-electric vehicles, and 48,084 plug-in hybrids with internal combustion assistance.

The brand hired former Audi head designer Wolfgang Egger as its chief designer and has recently opened a multibillion-dollar electric vehicle R&D centre in Shenzhen, China.

Nexport is a subsidiary of Australian-owned renewable energy investment firm TrueGreen. The brand has recently announced a $700 million plan to manufacture zero-emissions busses in the Southern Highlands district of New South Wales.
 

johnsmith

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Fuck Chinese made rubbish!

it'll only get better

I recall when Hyundai started here in 85 with the Hyundai Excel (The 'Pony' for the yanks on here) .. it was a piece of crap. Now Hyundai's cars are great value.
 

Squire

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Fuck Chinese made rubbish!
Prejudice. Nothing wrong with Chinese stuff. It is cheap and the quality and features constantly improve.

Chinese produce an EV for ~US$ 4.5 k. That's considerably cheaper by an order of magnitude than other countries. For $ 45 k you wouldn't even bother taking it anywhere but the scrapyard after 10 years. Technology is moving so fast that 5 years for an electric car is old.

My last Chinese product buy was a smart TV 58 inch 4K for ~A$360. Considerably cheaper than Korean and Taiwan competitors.
 

pinkeye

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Too bad the government couldn't re-tool existing infrastructure from our failed car making industry, to produce an EV.
 

Lols

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it'll only get better

I recall when Hyundai started here in 85 with the Hyundai Excel (The 'Pony' for the yanks on here) .. it was a piece of crap. Now Hyundai's cars are great value.
I have a feeling your right... lately Chinese vehicles we see in traffic look quite awesome.
At first there were so many faults or problems.... but.... having said that..... from a mechanics viewpoint...recently, my hubby had to replace the ball joint in his brothers car....well... it didn’t last very long as it’s supposed to.... hubby shows me how it’s faulty/worn...Chinese part.
He was so annoyed and decided this next one he bought is to be non Chinese made.
So thinking of these Chinese made cars with their own car parts like ball joints etc.... I’m just wondering how those cars will go in the maintenance area in shorter time spans.
 

SethBullock

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Prejudice. Nothing wrong with Chinese stuff. It is cheap and the quality and features constantly improve.

Chinese produce an EV for ~US$ 4.5 k. That's considerably cheaper by an order of magnitude than other countries. For $ 45 k you wouldn't even bother taking it anywhere but the scrapyard after 10 years. Technology is moving so fast that 5 years for an electric car is old.

My last Chinese product buy was a smart TV 58 inch 4K for ~A$360. Considerably cheaper than Korean and Taiwan competitors.
So you like being a slave owner?
 

SethBullock

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If I were an Australian, I wouldn't let them export a single car to Australia unless they bought an equivalent amount of Australian product in exchange.

Same with the U.S., btw.
 

Squire

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Too bad the government couldn't re-tool existing infrastructure from our failed car making industry, to produce an EV.
The only project the Australian government performed well was the Snowy Mountain project. All the rest have been disasters like the NBN, and 2x Submarine projects.

Of course, the Snowy Mountain project was implemented by a Labor government. Liberal governments are incompetent at massive projects because their objectives is to fill the pockets of Liberals before the cash runs out.
 

HBS Guy

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Yes. They are spurning some of our products.

Fuck’em.

I want to buy a pressure canner (like a pressure cooker but for preserving) and will likely buy a Tefal one which is made in France.

My Cuisinart hand held mixer and my Kenwood 1400 fixed mixer are both made in China. Can’t avoid all Chinese made stuff but will do my best.
 

Squire

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If I were an Australian, I wouldn't let them export a single car to Australia unless they bought an equivalent amount of Australian product in exchange.

Same with the U.S., btw.
Get real little buddy. Australia is dependent on China for trade in both directions.

Australia has a very positive trade balance with China.

"Australia has no realistic alternative market to China for a third of its exports and no viable source but China for almost a fifth of its imports."

"As an export market for Chinese businesses, Australia is almost irrelevant, accounting for just 1.9% of their worldwide sales."

How many boomerangs would China have to buy to equal an electric car, 100 boomerangs for every Chinese person? Maybe Chinese-manufactured boomerangs are better and cheaper?

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/a...-trade-with-china-offers-little-room-to-move/

Australia’s asymmetrical trade with China offers little room to move
10 Nov 2020, David Uren

Australia has no realistic alternative market to China for a third of its exports and no viable source but China for almost a fifth of its imports.

By contrast, it is only as a supplier of minerals that Australia has any significance to the Chinese economy. As an export market for Chinese businesses, Australia is almost irrelevant, accounting for just 1.9% of their worldwide sales.

The asymmetry in the trade relationship has been laid bare by Beijing’s exercise of economic coercion, with interruptions to Australia’s sales to China of barley, coal, cotton, beef and lobsters and threats to more, including wine, sugar, timber, copper, wool, education and tourism.

The default position of the National Party, as expressed by its leader Michael McCormack in late August, is that the relationship is reciprocal: ‘We need China as much as China needs us.’

Deputy Nationals leader and agriculture minister David Littleproud has urged Australian exporters to exploit Australia’s full range of free trade agreements to diversify their markets.

However, this is not practicable when China is the dominant customer. China accounts for more than a third of global sales for 22 of Australia’s top 30 exports to the nation. Those exports with a dominant Chinese market share were worth $123 billion in 2019, which was 32% of Australia’s total exports.

The impracticability of diversification is most obvious in iron ore. Australia will ship almost 800 million tonnes of iron ore to China this year. The total seaborne market in the rest of the world is only 460 million tonnes and Australia already captures around 100 million tonnes of that. If China didn’t buy our iron ore, there would literally be nowhere else to send it.

An analysis of Australian trade data shows our overwhelming dependence on China for many other exports.

China’s share of Australia’s exports %
Nickel ore 100
Timber 95
Iron ore 83
Wool 77
Lobster 76
Cotton 64
Wood chips 57
Processed food 55
Barley 54
Pharmaceuticals 47
Source: Author’s analysis of Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade data.

Copper exporters, who sell a third of their output to China, have expressed confidence that they would be able to place sales elsewhere. Copper is a widely traded commodity with a liquid market. By contrast, the only option for lobster fishermen in the absence of sales to China is to stop catching lobsters.

China accounts for 31% of Australia’s education exports, earning $12.7 billion. Education is a diverse market, but China represents more than our next four largest foreign markets combined, so its loss could not simply be backfilled.

Australia is not only bound to China by the dependence of our exporters. China is also the dominant supplier of many of our imports. Items in which China has a dominant market share (greater than a third) account for 18% of Australia’s total goods imports.

China’s share of Australia’s imports %
Lighting 76
Toys, games 74
Textiles 74
Household equipment 72
Furniture 70
Computers 70
Electronic circuits 68
Steel/aluminium structures 66
Womens clothing 66
Phones & telecom equipment 62
Source: Author’s analysis of Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade data.

While the large shares for many consumer goods do not look like a strategic vulnerability, the multitude of industrial inputs for which China is the major or sole supplier is.

Iron ore is among a handful of commodities for which China is, as McCormack says, as dependent on us as we are on it. Australia supplies about 70% of China’s iron ore imports and its big eastern steel mills couldn’t operate without them. Australia has also become a vital supplier of as much as half China’s LNG imports.

China’s apparent ban on Australian coal imports is unlikely to be long-lasting. Australia isn’t a pivotal coal supplier for the Chinese power industry, but it is for China’s steel mills, providing an average of 40% of their metallurgical coal and, in the first half of this year amid coronavirus interruptions to other suppliers, as much as 63%.

World Bank data on China’s trade dependence shows that Australia supplies 37% of China’s minerals imports overall. For most agricultural exports, with the exception of wool, Australian sales have ready substitutes. In total, Australia is the source of 4.9% of China’s goods imports.

The classic study of the use of trade as an instrument of power was by the German economist Albert Hirschman, who fled Germany for the United States before World War II. He developed his analysis based on Nazi Germany’s trade with southern and southeastern European nations.

The common feature for those countries was that Germany accounted for a huge share of their trade, but they represented only a tiny share of Germany’s trade. It is through the ability to interrupt trade or financial relations that one country exercises power over another.

Hirschman says the goal is to make it as difficult as possible for the smaller nation to replace the large one as a market or source of supply. That difficulty is a function of how much the smaller nation gains from the trade, the length and painfulness of adjusting to its loss, and the strength of vested interests in the smaller country.

The strategies large nations pursue to induce dependency include fostering vested interests, encouraging a wide gap between the pattern of production for exports and the pattern for home consumption, and importing goods for which there is little demand in other nations. These strategies fit well to China’s trade with Australia.

In a 1979 update to his 1945 work, Hirschman noted that the willingness to inflict deprivation is more easily quantified than the willingness to accept it, which is shaped by political resolve. The failure of 60 years of US sanctions on Cuba to bring the least change in its government policy highlights this.

The Australian government’s position is captured by the comments Prime Minister Scott Morrison made to radio station 2GB in June: ‘[W]e are an open trading nation, mate, but I’m never going to trade our values in response to coercion from wherever it comes.’

Australia’s resistance to Chinese coercion is helped by the relative weakness of the vested interests represented by the National Party. The Nationals had always held the trade portfolio until the precedent was broken by the Abbott government in 2013.

The Nationals had a succession of influential and able leaders throughout the post-war period. Arthur Fadden was treasurer, while John McEwen, Doug Anthony, Tim Fischer, John Anderson and Mark Vaile were all ministers of trade. None would have sat quietly musing on mutual dependence while core markets were threatened.
 

Squire

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Yes. They are spurning some of our products.

Fuck’em.

I want to buy a pressure canner (like a pressure cooker but for preserving) and will likely buy a Tefal one which is made in France.

My Cuisinart hand held mixer and my Kenwood 1400 fixed mixer are both made in China. Can’t avoid all Chinese made stuff but will do my best.
Buy a French shotgun and shoot yourself in the foot. Putting politics before economics is irrational.
 

johnsmith

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If I were an Australian, I wouldn't let them export a single car to Australia unless they bought an equivalent amount of Australian product in exchange.

Same with the U.S., btw.
Australias economy has been in the positive growth for well over 25 yrs. Even during the GFC our economy didn't go backwards. It slowed, but didn't shrink. No other country has a record like that apart from maybe Norway. A large part of that growth is attributable to China's demand for our natural resources ... coal, iron ore, primary produce etc. Australia picking a trade war with China is akin to setting your own house on fire.
 

HBS Guy

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Yes, we shouldn’t pick a trade war with them. Nevertheless they are not buying some of our fine produce. Fuck them then, not gonna buy some crap excuse of an electric car from them.

They employ slave labor.
 
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