America is back. Joe Biden, lets see what unfolds....

greggerypeccary

Active member
President Trump will not get Impeached.........they only have 10 days to indict him in the House, & being the Senate is still controlled by the Republicans, probably until after he leaves office , it dies there if they somehow get that far......

Impeachment........It's all but over before it actually gets started.....
He'll be impeached, but not convicted.

You don't understand how it works, so I forgive you for your ignorance.

I can assure you, he WILL be impeached.

There'll be no conviction in the Senate though.
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
That's a nice platitude. In 10 days, the rubber hits the road for Joe.
yes it's interesting to see his Tweets, very low key, Don't know if that is just his style or he is just doing it to be opposite of Trump.......Seeing how he always introduces himself as his wife's husband or even his own husband, it might just be how he thinks...

The tweets are very concise and impersonal though, might not even be him... wouldn't be surprised if he just can't bring himself to tweet because of Trumps shenanigans and has a aid do it.... Also I wouldn't blame him....
 

SethBullock

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He has inherited a poison chalice. I hope, Seth, that you consider that in what i estimate will be your strong critique of his performance.
Mothra, I will give a strong critique. But I'll make this pledge to you and the rest of the members. If he does things I like, I'll say so.

I'll start out by saying the I agree with him on the need for the country to heal. But if he's serious, he'll have to back that up with action and leadership.

@DonDeeHippy Simply being self-deprecating and cute is not enough. Leadership isn't making jokes about oneself. He has already failed the first test. He is the leader of the Democratic Party now, not Nancy Pelosi. He is only technically right that impeachment is up to the Congress. But he failed as the leader of his party. And it calls into question as to whether or not he was lying when he made his call for unity and healing.

We'll see. Almost time for no excuses. The Democrats control the House, the Senate, and the Presidency, with Joe as their leader. No more Trump, no more Republican Senate. Very soon, everything is their responsibility.
 

mothra

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Mothra, I will give a strong critique. But I'll make this pledge to you and the rest of the members. If he does things I like, I'll say so.

I'll start out by saying the I agree with him on the need for the country to heal. But if he's serious, he'll have to back that up with action and leadership.
What possible strategy can you conceive of that would quell the incredible unrest Trump has stirred up?

Are you saying that if Biden doesn't fix it miraculously, you'll hold him to account for it?

Sorry Seth, i think the fractures go beyond four years worth of salving. I hate to say it but you've got some dead set loonies at large over there. And, in true American fashion, they're armed.
 

SethBullock

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What possible strategy can you conceive of that would quell the incredible unrest Trump has stirred up?

Are you saying that if Biden doesn't fix it miraculously, you'll hold him to account for it?

Sorry Seth, i think the fractures go beyond four years worth of salving. I hate to say it but you've got some dead set loonies at large over there. And, in true American fashion, they're armed.
I can't disagree with you that we have some loonies over here, on both sides.

A couple of nights ago, the Mayor of Portland was out to dinner at a restaurant with a friend, and he was accosted by a group of Antifa terrorists. He was mildly assaulted by them.

"Are you saying that if Biden doesn't fix it miraculously, you'll hold him to account for it?"

Mothra, what I'm saying is that if he doesn't exercise leadership, I will hold him accountable for that. If his actions (or his inaction) don't fit his words, I'll hold him accountable for that. If he doesn't act like the President of all of the United States, and he only acts on behalf of his party partisans, I'll hold him accountable for that.

He said he wanted unity and healing. So do I. But soon, he will have to prove it.
 

mothra

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I can't disagree with you that we have some loonies over here, on both sides.

A couple of nights ago, the Mayor of Portland was out to dinner at a restaurant with a friend, and he was accosted by a group of Antifa terrorists. He was mildly assaulted by them.

"Are you saying that if Biden doesn't fix it miraculously, you'll hold him to account for it?"

Mothra, what I'm saying is that if he doesn't exercise leadership, I will hold him accountable for that. If his actions (or his inaction) don't fit his words, I'll hold him accountable for that. If he doesn't act like the President of all of the United States, and he only acts on behalf of his party partisans, I'll hold him accountable for that.

He said he wanted unity and healing. So do I. But soon, he will have to prove it.

But Seth. You've only just started holding Trump accountable for that, and he didn't inherit a shitshow.

Tell me, how is Biden supposed to lead the kind of people that stormed the Capitol? You've already shown that he's going to have to go above and beyond Trump to lead you. And you've shown you can be reasonable.
 

SethBullock

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But Seth. You've only just started holding Trump accountable for that, and he didn't inherit a shitshow.

Tell me, how is Biden supposed to lead the kind of people that stormed the Capitol? You've already shown that he's going to have to go above and beyond Trump to lead you. And you've shown you can be reasonable.
Mothra, I don't expect him to lead the kind of people who stormed the Capitol.

I do not believe those people represent the majority of conservatives or Republicans. I don't even think they represent the majority of people who have supported Trump up to this point. I profile them as being ignorant and weak-minded, and they don't represent the rest of us. Instead, they embarrass us. Probably in the same way that Antifa embarrasses the left and the Black Lives Matter movement.

No intelligent Americans want to be defined by groups like these.

I don't want to argue with you over minor points, but I do think Trump inherited a shit show of disunity and hatred. I think he did a terrible job of making it better though. He fed into it and perpetuated it. So did his political enemies. Nobody is innocent. Nobody is without guilt for that.

Joe is not known for his leadership. He is known as a go-along get-along guy, a part of Permanent Washington. As a patriot, I hope he exceeds my expectations and that he doesn't confirm my fears.
 

mothra

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You cannot be seriously trying to compare what Biden is inheriting to what Trump inherited.

And i note with interest, this is the first time I've ever seen you admit that Trump lead badly. You've been defending him all this time ... and blaming Antifa.
 

SethBullock

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You cannot be seriously trying to compare what Biden is inheriting to what Trump inherited.

And i note with interest, this is the first time I've ever seen you admit that Trump lead badly. You've been defending him all this time ... and blaming Antifa.
Lol, I didn't want to argue with you about that. It wasn't storming-the-Capitol disunity, but there were riots the day after his election, one of which was in Portland. "Not my President!" was the mantra, and a 2-year politically inspired investigation based upon manufactured "evidence" and perjury was undertaken. Anti-Trumpers were encouraged to confront and terrorize his cabinet and public relations people wherever they went, and it happened.

Mothra, I have always criticized Trump's personality and style. I have never thought he was a great leader. I don't think that if you looked through all my posts you'd find me glorifying him as a great leader. I have repeatedly defended him on national policy on the issues. I would still defend those positions - most of them.

I don't blame Antifa terrorists for Trump's behavior. I blame Antifa for Antifa's behavior. Here is the Mayor of Portland being accosted by Antifa terrorists just a couple of days ago, and remember, he is one of the most progressive liberal mayors in the country. According to reports, he was assaulted - not seriously fortunately - after the camera was turned off.

 

greggerypeccary

Active member
Lol, I didn't want to argue with you about that. It wasn't storming-the-Capitol disunity, but there were riots the day after his election, one of which was in Portland. "Not my President!" was the mantra, and a 2-year politically inspired investigation based upon manufactured "evidence" and perjury was undertaken. Anti-Trumpers were encouraged to confront and terrorize his cabinet and public relations people wherever they went, and it happened.
How many police officers' skulls did they bash in with fire extinguishers?

How many vans were found loaded with guns, molotov cocktails, and the chemicals required to make napalm?

How many of them had cable tie handcuffs at the ready?

I'm curious.
 

DonDeeHippy

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Biden signs two executive orders to provide economic relief
Joe Biden has now signed his two executive orders to aid American families who are financially suffering as a result of the coronavirus pandemic.
One executive order will expand the food stamps program, and the other will allow workers who fear their jobs jeopardize their health to qualify for unemployment insurance if they quit.

One of the executive orders Joe Biden signed today instructs the Treasury Department to make it easier for people to access their stimulus checks, including developing online systems to help them access their payments.

In a statement, the Treasury said it will “establish online tools” to help people claim payments, work to reach households that have not cashed their payments, and look into which groups have been worst affected

The latest round of $600 stimulus money came to many as pre-paid debit cards, causing confusion and concern that it was a scam. Delivery delays, bank changes and address changes are among an array of issues plaguing the distribution. An estimated 8m have also yet to receive the first round of stimulus checks authorized by the CARES Act.
 

johnsmith

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No intelligent Americans want to be defined by groups like these.

it's the stupid ones that concern me .. the ones crying out that the election was stolen, the ones claiming they are willing to fight to stop the steal ... lets face it, there are a lot of stupid Americans around
 

DonDeeHippy

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it's the stupid ones that concern me .. the ones crying out that the election was stolen, the ones claiming they are willing to fight to stop the steal ... lets face it, there are a lot of stupid Americans around
70 million last count.........
 

DonDeeHippy

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Climate
Biden lost no time in rejoining the Paris climate agreement, earning Republican criticism. Senator Ted Cruz of Texas said the move indicated Biden was “more interested in the views of the citizens of Paris than in the jobs of the citizens of Pittsburgh”, contending it would destroy thousands of jobs.

The president also revoked the Keystone XL oil pipeline permit and instructed the Environmental Protection Agency and transportation department to reestablish fuel efficiency mandates weakened by Trump

Well only 4 days in and he has already reversed a few of the Anti policing environmental damages Trump did.. Still a lot more to do, like reverse Trumps rules that allows big business to pollute rivers and streams as much as they want......

He also put a stop to the fossil fuel removal in the Alaska national parks as well... not mentioned here
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
Interestingly had a talk with a Trumpster last weekend...

He believes the goal of Biden is to not bring about renewable but stop USA from self producing Fossil Fuels and start buying from the Middle East again...
He was also fully into the Hunter distraction and predicts Hunter will be suicided (I guess by the deep state forgot to ask) and Jo will step down because of it and the VP will take over and ruin the world..... time will tell I suppose...

Like all that support Trump every time we started to talk about him he started on about what Biden will do.... Very easy to redirect as you can say anything becouse it hasnt happened.....
 
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