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Auggie

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Source: The Guardian

Technically, & only technically, yes Britain outlawed Slavery at the stroke of midnight on 1 August 1834, & the enslaved were freed from the "legal category of slavery" – and instantly plunged into a new institution, called “apprenticeship”.

What the so called ex-slaves had to endure, sanctioned by the 1834 British Law, to many was far worse than slavery ever was.

So, your typed question, as relating to Britain, though technically valid, was followed by nothing less than what many described as merely an extension of slavery by the British, technically called “apprenticeship”, sanctioned by the British Government, which legally flourished until 1838.

The 13th Amendment to the US Constitution, ratified by the American People in 1865, effectively freed all slaves within the United States. It forever abolished slavery as an institution in all the U.S. States & territories. In addition to banning slavery, the 13th Amendment outlawed the practice of involuntary servitude.


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I think the correct term you're referring to is 'indentured servitude'?. In any case, the new institution of 'apprenticeship' was not chattel slavery - sure, it was wage slavery; but they are not the same things.

Second, the abolition of slavery in America was replaced by Jim Crow, so even though it was constitutionally banned, it didn't prevent discrimination against blacks.
 

DreamRyderX

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......the abolition of slavery in America was replaced by Jim Crow, so even though it was constitutionally banned, it didn't prevent discrimination against blacks.
And that doesn't happen in Jolly Ole Englund?......there's no discrimination or racism in the UK........not in jolly Ole Englund now is there...................


How Racist is Britain Today? What the Evidence Tells Us

Source: The Conversation
When seeking to get a picture of the inequality and social injustice faced by black and minority ethnic groups in the UK, a good place to start is the government’s own figures.

It’s starkly evident that major ethnic and racial inequalities persist in employment, housing and the justice system. Black and Muslim minorities have twice the unemployment rate of their white British peers and are twice as likely to live in overcrowded housing. They are also much more likely to be stopped and searched by the police. We could also add to the list the alarming ethnic differences in deaths from COVID-19.

The government’s pioneering ethnicity facts and figures website brings together in a single accessible format the hard evidence on ethnic disparities collected by government departments. It is a world-first, established in 2016 by former prime minister Theresa May, who pledged to tackle “burning injustices”.

Critics could plausibly argue that disparities of the kind demonstrated by the website do not, in themselves, prove that racism and discrimination are the driving forces behind the inequalities. But, when combined with other direct evidence, it’s hard to avoid concluding that they play a role........continued
Those livin' in glass houses should refrain from throwin' stones......


Discrimination & Racism lives EVERYWHERE.....& regardless of what steps are taken to affect change, it will always be there, & it will never be eradicated to the complete satisfaction of those most affected.......EVERYWHERE!!

 

Shellandshilo1956

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Source: The Guardian

Technically, & only technically, yes Britain outlawed Slavery at the stroke of midnight on 1 August 1834, & the enslaved were freed from the "legal category of slavery" – and instantly plunged into a new institution, called “apprenticeship”.

What the so called ex-slaves had to endure, sanctioned by the 1834 British Law, to many was far worse than slavery ever was.

So, your typed question, as relating to Britain, though technically valid, was followed by nothing less than what many described as merely an extension of slavery by the British, technically called “apprenticeship”, sanctioned by the British Government, which legally flourished until 1838.

The 13th Amendment to the US Constitution, ratified by the American People in 1865, effectively freed all slaves within the United States. It forever abolished slavery as an institution in all the U.S. States & territories. In addition to banning slavery, the 13th Amendment outlawed the practice of involuntary servitude.


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Many scholars believed that the 13th Amendment is only speaking about the "institution of slavery", and not about slavery itself. Do you really think that slaves in the US were really free, after the 13th amendment was ratified? At least in the UK they didn't shoot, imprison, lynch, or kill on sight, any newly freed slaves trying to escape to the North(Fugitive Slave Act). The 13th amendment also did nothing about the disclinations and alienation of Blacks from society. Especially in the South. Some southern states even criminalized "Blackness".


Institutionalized slavery will always manifest itself in the hearts and minds of bigots and racists.
 

DreamRyderX

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.....Institutionalized slavery will always manifest itself in the hearts and minds of bigots and racists.
Yes......I agree......no matter where in the world they happen to live, or where they happen to be.....in Britain, in the Middle East, in Europe, in Asia, in Australia, in Africa, in South America, or in North America.........

Also, BTW, no matter what race they happen to be either.........because as you & I know, racists & bigots can be of any race or nationality as well.........period.
 

Auggie

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And that doesn't happen in Jolly Ole Englund?......there's no discrimination or racism in the UK........not in jolly Ole Englund now is there...................


How Racist is Britain Today? What the Evidence Tells Us

Source: The Conversation

Those livin' in glass houses should refrain from throwin' stones......


Discrimination & Racism lives EVERYWHERE.....& regardless of what steps are taken to affect change, it will always be there, & it will never be eradicated to the complete satisfaction of those most affected.......EVERYWHERE!!
I'm talking about legal discrimination.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Also, BTW, no matter what race they happen to be either.........because as you & I know, racists & bigots can be of any race or nationality as well.........period.
I'm afraid I disagree with you here. I think you are confusing PREDJUDICE, with RACISM and BIGOTRY. Any minority race can be prejudice(a form of bigotry) towards any race. But they can't be racists towards the dominate race in power. Blacks did NOT subject Whites to over 200 years of slavery, and 80 more years under the Jim Crow laws. Whites did that. Blacks and other minorities can certainly be prejudice towards Whites, but they can't be racists towards them. This is more than just semantics. There are very fundamental differences.

Racism is used by the dominant race to maintain complete dominance over all other races. Racism is also racially systemic. It is a racially systemic political, economic or social system of power, in which a dominant race uses to oppress others of different races. Being prejudice is not! How does Blacks being racist to Whites affect White power and White privilege? But, how does Whites being systematically racists affect all other races? Get the picture?

When White people experience rudeness from Black people, they must remember that Black people will never have the same power(or the privilege) that White people have inherited since birth. Blacks don’t live in a country where the laws, norms and rules benefit them equally. White people were running the show around here long before the ink on the Declaration of Independence was even dry.

This is not to say that White people haven’t experienced discrimination. But, the way America is currently set up, there’s nothing that White people can’t have. Wanna join the rap game, play professional basketball or participate in any black-dominated activity? If you’re good enough, then you're in. But not the same opportunities exist if you're Black.

Racism is when there are only three minority coaches in the 32-teams in the NFL(almost 70% of the players are Black). Or, when Blacks are being legally excluded from playing, or having management positions in MLB(Selig Rule)? https://theundefeated.com/features/african-american-mlb-players/

Racism is when people of color are locked up for decades for weed charges but a white Stanford swimmer was sentenced to a measly six months in jail after being convicted of sexual assault.

Racism is when a Black man visits a day care center and is told there is a six-month waiting list to get his daughter in, but his white female friend speaks to the same woman a few hours later on the same day to get her infant daughter in and is accepted(This actually happened to my friend in Australia). How does he explain this to his daughter? When I confronted these real racists(or selective policy enforcers), his daughter suddenly was on the VERY short list. And, was eventually enrolled.

Racism, NOT prejudice, is demoralizing, painful and exhausting. And, must be removed from our human society. ONLY you and I, and other Whites can end racism. We have all the power. This is why I completely support Antifa. They are at least trying to do something about this problem, head-on.
 
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